Curse

EPO Bot · Nov 12, 2006, 03:44 PM // 15:44

Strange how i read other people in other posts cheer about how Anet listens to it's customers then. I have just one complaint about NF: TOO MUCH content to ever get it completely done. Worth every penny i say, but you need to find the time.

Advice to the acid spitters: If this game get's tedious, find something totally new (like Guitar hero for example) and stop telling the fans how bad the game they love really is.

Sidra · Nov 12, 2006, 03:48 PM // 15:48

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Originally Posted by EPO Bot

Strange how i read other people in other posts cheer about how Anet listens to it's customers then. I have just one complaint about NF: TOO MUCH content to ever get it completely done. Worth every penny i say, but you need to find the time.

Advice to the acid spitters: If this game get's tedious, find something totally new (like Guitar hero for example) and stop telling the fans how bad the game they love really is.

Yeah see... no?

A. thats a completely different platform

B. that has nothing to do with what we're debating

C. it's not TEDIOUS. it's boring as hell to play when we can't play it how we want. We're not complaining about lack of money, or whatever you want to peg on us. we're complaining about the continued crippling of players playing how they want to.

It's almost like they're trying to say "PuG standard builds only!". They take away unique skill combinations in favor of those that work but don't do as well for people. I just would like to know why.

Parson Brown · Nov 12, 2006, 03:55 PM // 15:55

I'm pretty bored with GW right now.

For me, it's the grind created by Sunspear points.

I started a new paragon, but decided things were just moving too slowly. So, I decided to start going through Nightfall with one of my existing characters. All was going well until I completed the Command Center quests and found out that I had to go farm 1,600 (!) Sunspear points before I could advance the story.

What's up with that?

EPO Bot · Nov 12, 2006, 04:07 PM // 16:07

If you think that playing trough the game is "grinding", you simply don't like this game. Period.

From what i understand some players love to do this:

1:Buy expansion
2:Look on line wich area's are best to farm.
3:Find out wich build is the current cookie cutter setup to farm (since the last patch that nerfed the previous one).
4:Find a runner to get them there and start to kill the same boss 2000 times.
5:Buy fow armor on the day of release.Delete character a week later.

Is that what a whole new continent is for? And then they complain about grinding...

Remember Diablo2 where no one ever played trough act one anymore and just found someone to teleport them to Andariel? Or how the same guys just skipped the entirity of act three and went straight for Mephisto? The only thing they wanted was to get acces to the cows in Hell difficulty,and start milking them asap(literally). Not my favorite memories i must say.

Parson Brown · Nov 12, 2006, 04:19 PM // 16:19

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Originally Posted by EPO Bot

If you think that playing trough the game is "grinding", you simply don't like this game. Period.

If this is directed at me, you missed my point entirely!

I would like nothing more than to play through the game. However, when my current Primary quest is to go become a Sunspear General by earning 1,600 more Sunspear points, it feels very much like arbitrary and artificially-lengthened gameplay.

To add insult to wasted time, the quest even tells you to go talk to priests to earn bounties by killing random mobs! (or "earn their trust," as the quest says)

EPO Bot · Nov 12, 2006, 04:28 PM // 16:28

That's what this game is about: Killing things in creative ways. And open some chests,grab some loot or capture an elite skill wile you are at it.

Threepwood · Nov 12, 2006, 04:35 PM // 16:35

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Originally Posted by Pudin Tame

I've played one character completely through Nightfall and another about halfway and I'm just bored with it now. Is anyone else experiencing this? With the farming nerfs, AI nerfs, and now it seems there are fewer chests in zones, I just don't have any incentive to continue playing this game. I have eight more characters and there's no way I'm playing them through. The new AI and stuff was fun the first time through, but there's I have no desire to continue playing now. I have several guildmates who feel the same way, just wanted to see if we were the only ones.

Before reading my reply, note that I haven't read all the posts made here yet. So I hope i'm not repeating someone else (-:

Basically Guild Wars gets boring, hence the release of new chapters with their new content. But what makes it worthwhile for me playing it, is the Survivor Title... Acting like in real situations, where once you get spiked, you just try to run for your life! This 'constant fear of dying' has actually improved my tactical senses and can give you a nice adrenaline-boost IRL (-:

However, there are two down-sides on this approach:
1) Once you're dead, you sometimes feel like stopping with the character... Strange but true...
2) Those nasty server lags and 007 caused two of my characters to die without me even knowing it. One time I got close to Indomitable survivor, and the other time when I was three quarters of the third survivor title.

I think that in general each person has her/own views/expectations of the game. However, noone can say that he/she plays a game and NEVER gets bored after a while... This may be counteracted by playing less frequent or as ANet does, bring out new content once in a while. Other possibilities are:
- Helping out guildies (fun and social event)
- Organizing weekly or monthly guild-based events to, for instance, cap elites or obtain Masters in Missions.
- Etc, etc...

My two eurocents on the issue

WasAGuest · Nov 12, 2006, 04:35 PM // 16:35

For me the game is boring at this point for one reason; the current AI is no longer fun to combat against. It's like herding cattle, or chasing "Chicken Little" after he screams "The sky is falling!".

It's not difficult, challenging, just repetative and after 20 minutes, dull. For me, it's not about farming, or running either; simply about playing the quests and missions as they come. I love the new sunspear points and have never had to actually work for them. Grab bounties as you come across the shrines while you are out on a quest. I seemed to max out my sunspear rank by the time I get to the Cemetery Mission by doing all the quests, then hitting up the Primaries.

Anyway, yea, it's boring right now and not fun at all; simply because the AI is so poor. Playing a game based on combat and adventure should be a game based on that... not playing tag...

EPO Bot · Nov 12, 2006, 04:46 PM // 16:46

If there is one point with wich i aggree, it's that the next chapter should not be "more of the same". Something should be implemented that totally renews interest.

Like heroes right now...

Rusty Deth · Nov 12, 2006, 04:53 PM // 16:53

Yeah I started NF again with my ranger...

Saw I needed 2,000 sunspear points to advance. 2 hours later I did and got the hero's i need later to level 20 in the progress.

If anything the only real grind I had in this game is when I was capping with my Dervish. Took me 4 hours to cap 12 skills, not because of the game, but because GuildWiki was loading really slow

Renegade26 · Nov 12, 2006, 04:57 PM // 16:57

All those who are quitting because life has ended! Can I have your pre-nerf farmed gold and items so I can make my Mesmer look pretty, please?

lacasner · Nov 12, 2006, 05:02 PM // 17:02

Wow, some people really don't understand....

SilentAssassin · Nov 12, 2006, 05:06 PM // 17:06

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Originally Posted by makosi

Sort of bored, yes. What I'd normally do is farm but like you said, farming isn't possible.

So you are bored of playing the game, but you love to farm... wich is the most boring thing there exists...

K, so this topic is actually about ppl who love to farm but can't farm decent anymore in Nightfall.

Little advice: wanna farm? buy WoW.

lacasner · Nov 12, 2006, 05:10 PM // 17:10

Again, this post isn't about fricking farming, understand that...

Btw, you can take it how you want to take it but if this game adapted some of WoWs open ended endgame content people wouldn't be quiting, maybe we'll see that in Gw II...if it ever comes.

Hyunsai · Nov 12, 2006, 05:12 PM // 17:12

How is running after monster more boring than static battles we had before?

natuxatu · Nov 12, 2006, 05:12 PM // 17:12

If you've already finished Nightfall you're not taking your time.. or you have a lot of time on your hands. I'm not saying that's a bad thing.. I've finished Nightfall but my friend is still at it and enjoying it. So slow down if you can. If you don't want to..

well you can play a different game untill there is more updates.. it's not like you have to pay to play.. and the beauty of a lvl 20 cap is that you can go away for a few months.. come back and not feel completely behind.

lacasner · Nov 12, 2006, 05:15 PM // 17:15

Why would a company not want people to play their game and take a break?

Myrkwid · Nov 12, 2006, 05:25 PM // 17:25

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Originally Posted by SilentAssassin

So you are bored of playing the game, but you love to farm... wich is the most boring thing there exists...

K, so this topic is actually about ppl who love to farm but can't farm decent anymore in Nightfall.

Little advice: wanna farm? buy WoW.

There are other people who are bored and they are not farmers. In fact in my guild nobody likes repetetive gameplay. That includes farming. Still there is nothing to do and, in my opinion, farming is even less boring then doing the fedexquests with all your characters.

And to the "go to wow" statement. If all people, who are getting disappointed, would do it, you would wonder how empty the gw-world would get.

Jetdoc · Nov 12, 2006, 05:32 PM // 17:32

This thread absolutely, positively doesn't surprise me.

Play the PvE Beta. Check.

Storm through the game with a maximum size party/with heroes. Check.

Cookie-cutter farming builds are no longer effective against new AI. Check.

New "perfect" gold items are now obtainable through inscriptions. Check.

With each of the above, I think that anyone who is "bored" should rethink how they play the game. I heard many of the same complaints with Factions within two weeks of its release. It absolutely, positively doesn't surprise me to see the same with Nightfall.

As others have said, if this is the way you like to play, it's time to take a break and revisit the game in a month. To me, I prefer not to play in any of the ways above, and it keeps everything fresh.

WasAGuest · Nov 12, 2006, 05:33 PM // 17:33

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Originally Posted by Hyunsai

How is running after monster more boring than static battles we had before?

Because they "statically" flee vs fight back. Thus the game becomes a reverse kiting game. I want a fight, not a game of tag.
Chasing a foe that doesn't even fight back or cast to save themselves is not fun, and after while, becomes a complete bore. Compound that problem with snares and slows and the mobs can't even flee... they limp away while being torn apart from behind.

How is that fun?

Anyway, yea; it's pretty much a very boring game in it's current state; which is a sad thing as Nightfall has so much to see and do; yet the AI is destroying the enjoyment of it.